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Re:Re: Is this difficult?

Discussion created by ca.portal.admin on Mar 31, 2008
It's all in the money. Off shore work cost's next to nothing. The same
problem applies to retraining. Dick Richard Pierce (617) 973-8911
richard.pierce@state.ma.us -----Original Message----- From: IDMS Public
Discussion Forum [mailTo:IDMS-L@LISTSERV.IUASSN.COM] On Behalf Of
Margaret Sliming Sent: Monday March 31, 2008 10:28 AM To:
IDMS-L@LISTSERV.IUASSN.COM Subject: Re: Is this difficult? I think there
are lots of us around but as Lutz mentioned, IDMS has dried up in most
of the more desirable and/or affordable places to live. If companies
would allow telecommuting they would never have a problem getting
people. It fascinates me that they have no problem shipping jobs off to
India and China but don't trust their own citizens to work remotely.
-----Original Message----- From: Joan Planta
[mailTo:joanplanta@YAHOO.COM] Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 03:27 PM
To: IDMS-L@LISTSERV.IUASSN.COM Subject: Re: Is this difficult? Did you
find the IDMS Programmers? I have worked with IDMS since 1985 as well as
DB2. Thanks, Joan --- ""Petzold, Lutz"" wrote: > It depends.
Theoretically, there are a LOT of > IDMS/ADSO programmers around. > More
then C+ and Java I'd say. And they switch jobs > less often too I think.
-----Original Message----- > From: Joe Cates
[mailTo:Joe_Cates@FC.MCPS.K12.MD.US] > Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003
1:26 PM > To: IDMS-L@LISTSERV.IUASSN.COM > Subject: Is this difficult? >
Hello IDMSers. Just to satisfy my curiosity, how > difficult do you
think it > would be to recruit IDMS capable programmers, > analysts etc?
We have ongoing > debates here regarding the impossibility of doing >
this. Is it really so in > the real world? You can email me directly.
Thanks. > > Joe S Cates, C.C.P. > Database Analyst > Office of Global
Access Technology > Montgomery County Public Schools > Rockville, MD
20850 > email: Joe_Cates@fc.mcps.k12.md.us > > This e-mail may contain
confidential or privileged > information. If you > think you have
received this e-mail in error, please > advise the sender by > reply
e-mail and then delete this e-mail > immediately. Thank you. Aetna
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Re: Is this difficult?
"I take exception with the statement ""we are responsible for our own
marketability"". Why? Because foreign outsourcers are government
subsidized, where their government trains their population in modern
skill sets, provides the infrastructure with tax dollars, and then
markets their population's skill, thus increasing their own tax base.
They have a government by the people for the people, we in the US have
empty campaign slogans. I think that is at the root of the outsourcing
phenomenon, and it's an informed opinion.



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Re: Is this difficult?
"Good point, but this is also a 'chicken-and-egg' issue, and you appear
to assume it must be the chicken. There is another hypothesis for the
reduction in tech grads: lack of belief in the long-term security of
the field of IT (or science, for that matter). I, myself, completed an
MS in geology in 1985 ... In the middle of the last really big recession
in the USA. ...wanted to be able to feed children ---> got job in IT.
I am confident that I was not alone in this professional
transmogrification, or my motivation.

College students aren't stupid. In a sense, you could view the decline
in the numbers of tech grads as a logical response to 'market forces'.
It is also, unfortunately, a self-fulfilling prophecy /
positive-feedback loop of sorts.

In terms of personal attitude, I agree with Vince, but not about the
forces at work. If the job market were functioning in response to the
'lack of qualified individuals', more students would be in IT. Period.
Individuals may be lazy, or only focused on what is 'cool', but not
large labor markets (at least, if you believe macro-economists).

Vince LaPiana

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