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Re:Re: Is this difficult?

Discussion created by ca.portal.admin on Mar 31, 2008
It's all in the money. Off shore work cost's next to nothing. The same
problem applies to retraining. Dick Richard Pierce (617) 973-8911
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Margaret Sliming Sent: Monday March 31, 2008 10:28 AM To:
IDMS-L@LISTSERV.IUASSN.COM Subject: Re: Is this difficult? I think there
are lots of us around but as Lutz mentioned, IDMS has dried up in most
of the more desirable and/or affordable places to live. If companies
would allow telecommuting they would never have a problem getting
people. It fascinates me that they have no problem shipping jobs off to
India and China but don't trust their own citizens to work remotely.
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Re: Is this difficult?
"Vince, you work for an outsourcer? Which one, may I ask?

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Re: Is this difficult?
"Diane, even in the days of roll-your-own software, it was a boom and
bust business with many professionals not only changing jobs, but
relocating all over tarnation. If anything, I see more job
opportunities now in IT, then ever before, but it's not for mainframers.
The mainframers who are not jumping ship are just trying to buck
evolutiuon. Like the Honeywell and Boroughs programmers of yore.

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Re: Is this difficult?
"Not quite. In 1985, as (US) American academic geologists were getting
hacker's licenses (taxis, that is), there was no concurrent clamor for
H1B and L1 visas to save the poor employers who could not possibly
survive without a massive influx of geologists from overseas. The labor
market ""fixed"" that problem in a few years. That's certainly not what's
happening today in our (USA - at least) labor market.

It's not off-shoring, but it has the same impact on the labor market -
and it reinforces the 'market forces' that continue to dissuade college
students from entering this field in larger numbers. Again: an
undesirable positive-reinforcement and a self-fulfilling prophecy.

I don't mind being retrained (would be for the 3rd time in IT), but I am
concerned about having to compete with a labor force whose long-term
costs are driven by food, housing, transportation and health costs in
Bangalore, Shanghai, Vietnam, ... I live near Washington, D.C., and
that's a competition I cannot win.

I suspect that most folks on this list have had to adapt as you and I
have. Concern about job security or income security is a powerful
motivator...

(the other) Vince LaPiana - age late 40s...

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