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Re:Re: Is this difficult?

Discussion created by ca.portal.admin on Mar 31, 2008
It's all in the money. Off shore work cost's next to nothing. The same
problem applies to retraining. Dick Richard Pierce (617) 973-8911
richard.pierce@state.ma.us -----Original Message----- From: IDMS Public
Discussion Forum [mailTo:IDMS-L@LISTSERV.IUASSN.COM] On Behalf Of
Margaret Sliming Sent: Monday March 31, 2008 10:28 AM To:
IDMS-L@LISTSERV.IUASSN.COM Subject: Re: Is this difficult? I think there
are lots of us around but as Lutz mentioned, IDMS has dried up in most
of the more desirable and/or affordable places to live. If companies
would allow telecommuting they would never have a problem getting
people. It fascinates me that they have no problem shipping jobs off to
India and China but don't trust their own citizens to work remotely.
-----Original Message----- From: Joan Planta
[mailTo:joanplanta@YAHOO.COM] Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 03:27 PM
To: IDMS-L@LISTSERV.IUASSN.COM Subject: Re: Is this difficult? Did you
find the IDMS Programmers? I have worked with IDMS since 1985 as well as
DB2. Thanks, Joan --- ""Petzold, Lutz"" wrote: > It depends.
Theoretically, there are a LOT of > IDMS/ADSO programmers around. > More
then C+ and Java I'd say. And they switch jobs > less often too I think.
-----Original Message----- > From: Joe Cates
[mailTo:Joe_Cates@FC.MCPS.K12.MD.US] > Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003
1:26 PM > To: IDMS-L@LISTSERV.IUASSN.COM > Subject: Is this difficult? >
Hello IDMSers. Just to satisfy my curiosity, how > difficult do you
think it > would be to recruit IDMS capable programmers, > analysts etc?
We have ongoing > debates here regarding the impossibility of doing >
this. Is it really so in > the real world? You can email me directly.
Thanks. > > Joe S Cates, C.C.P. > Database Analyst > Office of Global
Access Technology > Montgomery County Public Schools > Rockville, MD
20850 > email: Joe_Cates@fc.mcps.k12.md.us > > This e-mail may contain
confidential or privileged > information. If you > think you have
received this e-mail in error, please > advise the sender by > reply
e-mail and then delete this e-mail > immediately. Thank you. Aetna
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Re: Is this difficult?
"How many remember Edward Yourdon's book, ""The Decline and Fall of the
American Programmer""? This is a snip from Wikipedia:

""Decline and Fall of the American Programmer is a book written by Edward
Yourdon in 1992. It was addressed to American programmers and software
organizations of the 1990s, warning that they were about to be driven
out of business by programmers in other countries who could produce
software more cheaply and with higher quality. Yourdon claimed that
American software organizations could only retain their edge by using
technologies such as ones he described in the book.""

These ideas were prevalent in the late 80's and Yourdon documented them
in his book. Does anyone see the similarities in the discussion?

I cut my IT teeth on a language called MARKIV in 1970. The hype at that
time was that MARKIV was so much more efficient than COBOL that it would
replace the hordes of COBOL programmers. MARKIV was a great language,
but it didn't replace a single COBOL programmer. Prior to MARKIV it was
COBOL replacing Assembler programmers, and before that it was Assembler
replacing machine language coders (now that is a job that I would hate
to tears), and before that it was the peg-boarders.

The debate about the pending death of positions in the IT field has gone
on since 5 minutes after the invention of computers. We have all
adapted to the changing pressures, technology, economics, yada, yada and
we will continue to do so.

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